I haven't heard MSB or theDenafrips DAC. MSB Discrete Dac with one additional basic power supply. You'd expect Audiosanctuary to understand what a gutless amp sounds like, and at least put a headphone amp in front of that DAVE, if they wanted to sell people either the DAVE or the headphones. I had the DAVE for 3years, it is an amazing DAC. let me know when it's on, I'll make my way down if I can. johndoe21ro I would just add budget and the other components in the system are major factors to consider. so these are less preferred. In that time, weve pushed the industry forward with each product weve built, redefining whats possible. Thirdly, having suggested that the brightness issue may lay elsewhere, I will shortly post a suggested tweak directly to both HMS and DAVE - that I have found to increase the "weight", "solidity" and "analogueness" of the resulting sound. the Select II pushes the analog to be its best. I can leave my hand on it as long as I want to. While it's an easy setup to wrangle at a show, it does seem like it wasn't doing either component any favours! I suppose that the vast majority of people who listen for pleasure at home are looking for a balance between the two, and whilst I still maintain we are most likely to hear the biggest effect in a system by changing transducers, every element in the chain of sound will affect the final sound and, in a digital system, I think the DAC you choose can have a huge effect on the final sound. IMHO an audio recommendation in a forum is just an advice on what is worth listening and the reason why we think so. To each their own, but I think Chord sounds cold and artificial. You're very polite about how you describe your preferences, cmarin. Like a true audiophile with "issues", I'm saying to myself, if at $8300 more might come to mind and I will add them. Like the Lab12. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $14,000. Lots of time it connection because it eliminates some parts and gets you closer to a direct Astrostar here, said it completely blew away any dac he had before, and mind you, he has the entry level AC model. for instance, the Select II is modular (customers can easily change modules in seconds)so it has the ability to quickly modify its inputs to allow for optimization of various interfaces. Do diamonds shine on the dark side of the moon? So true jr, the discrete R2R Multibit dacs like the Terminator the Holo, MSB, Total ect ect have a life and a boogie factor to the music that DS dacs lack, and yes they do show up bad recordings. DLNA Protocol. Never use!! You'll be shocked by how much you lose by going through a separate preamp. what Im saying is that comparing dacs also must take into account of all the interface advantages of each particular dac. And yes, you can improve it more by adding nice power source and cable. Then we have the Integrated Clock module and Im starting to get the whole modular approach to the design of the MSB DAC. To be 100% honest we have A/B tested most of the dacs mentioned The DACs are individually shielded and thermally-bonded and multiple units are used per channel, which MSB tells us increases performance and lowers output impedance. Edited November 11, 2020 by seadog. However, to get this level of separation and detail within the soundscape the DAC is clearly having a very important role to play. However, the extra PSU does add to the cost considerably! DAC Comparison Reference DAC Modules 4x Hybrid DAC Clock The Femto 33 Digital Inputs 4x User Replaceable Input Slots Optical and Coaxial input module Included Analog Outputs Preamp XLR Output Module - 150 Impedance RCA output available with external adapter Analog Inputs XLR Analog Expansion Modules RCA or XLR Input RCA or XLR Output If you currently have an MSB DAC or amplifier that you lovebut are looking to experience more from your systemplease reach out to your local dealer. There is a real sense of spectacle and scale when the MSB is in the system. It is bested easily by DACs at $150. Of course this DAC is super pricey and out of the reach of many (including me). The formats that is used in comparison test is all 16bit / 44.1KHz, not DSD The Result : 1st : Select DAC II Full Option - 100% 2nd : Trinity DAC - 90% For example, the chassis for the products are made from North American-sourced metals, and then that is machined using Haas CNC machines that are built in California. Wavedream only has a couple hours on it, but from the first note it The Pro USB was developed to offer a multi part USB solution that features complete electrical isolation and all the performance of MSBs proprietary Pro ISL input. Founded in 2010 Whats Best Forum invites intelligent and courteous people of all interests and backgrounds to describe and discuss the best of everything. Our publication is supported by its audience. @shkong78 Thanks for sharing your listening impressions of the Lampizator Pacific vs the MSB DACs as well as what you miss about the Pacific vs your Chord combo. To build a simple and good system). That's the negative to going my route I guess. The remainder 2. and the MSB Select II has a huge advantage over other dacs with its modularity and in-house development which promotes, in a very timely way, keeping the product at the very tip top cutting edge of digital interface developments. Superior conversion begins with clean and stable low-noise power. "To be 100% honest we have A/B tested most of the dacs mentioned dac at a reasonable price. The other stand out dacs that we like are the The reasoning behind the two clocks dealing with different frequency families is that music is mostly recorded within multiples of the 44.1kHz family or the 48kHz family and having a clock dealing with each family minimises loss. Wherever I read I see unanimous praise for the MSB Select II. The Dave is VERY lovely on PCM, and pretty decent on DSD, but DSD is not its raison d'etre. @yyzsantabarbara, your dealer quote is interesting, I suspected that the Mola Mola was that good. Regular readers will appreciate all that is taken from the MSB website and I make no apologies for not really understanding the electronics. What else should one expect? Since this forum is mainly USA based and we are in the UK, I have very little to gain business wise here. Thanks for the interesting reply, cmarin. Dealer's should be required to state they're a dealer every time they post or have a disclaimer in their username. Whats Best Forum is THE forum for high end audio, product reviews, advice and sharing experiences on the best of everything else. I would have loved if you heard them in the same system for a direct comparison. Hmm.. Its weighty, it feels perfect, its not overly ostentatious and its perfect! You must log in or register to reply here. Or arm yourself with a nice bottle of red and pay a visit to@Stereophilus. And what streamer are you using to feed the DAC? Chord states "DAVE is the most advanced DAC we have ever made. It features the very best conversion technology available, using proprietary techniques never seen before, making DAVE the most advanced DAC/preamp amplifier in the world. Its a clever thing meaning that their products are repairable and upgradeable for example, you can have a card that is set up for single-ended outputs or balanced XLR outputs (for review we have the balanced version). I actually like the simplicity of this and it is very intuitive to use when you get into setting up and menu diving, though diving is over-egging it a bit as the Discrete is a doddle to set upif you do it right, but more on that in a while. By Much appreciated. Sources: Hiby R6, Fiio x3II, Fiio x5II DACs: Dave, Yggdrasil, Hugo, Hugo TT, U12. Less experience with Dave on DSD, plus Rob claims to no longer decimate. Stay updated on Bloom Audio at their. As a contented Qutest user, I would have hoped for "improved", performance from the Dave. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/how-to-support-audio-science-review.8150/, Check the true bit-depth of your files and audio engine, Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass Preferences, Know your limits (Sound Exposure Safety Chart), Topping DX7 Pro+ vs Chord DAVE measurements (Cosmos ADC) - DAVE is better in some areas (surprise! I thought the DAVE was just as stunning with DSD as PCM. I was upgrading it in this order and still could not believe every time it sounded better. I don't want to waste hifi shops time too much knowing I'll be going second hand either. Were constantly improving digital input modules to stay at the forefront of the high-end audio industry, ensuring youre always equipped with the most current digital file formats and interfaces. 5 other people who only have 2 things in common with our system. Ill not get into the whole detail of this here but the MSB website does have an excellent (and interesting) explanation of jitter and why having a very low jitter clock is favourable to having a very accurate clock theres a link at the bottom of this review. Get a Lampi Golden Gate Dac and match it with the RK5u4g rectifier and PX25 DHTs or the RK242 DHT. Thanks. The Discrete DAC, the successor and highly improved replacement to the now-famous Analog DAC is the MSB DAC that everyone has been waiting for. Vega DAC 6/10 As dynamic as the Weiss, but a little too edgy in sound emphasised presence made female voices a bit hard on the ear. has 20 hours on it. - MQA decoding. As you mentioned imaging better, incredible PRaT with MSB. I've yet to see a system with direct connections eliminating the preamp which wasn't improved by a adding a good preamp back into the mix! But of course, I love window shopping and perusing top tier systems including illustrious more familiar gear like Lampi, TD, MSB, Ares Cerat, Aqua. Can't beat the form factor of it though, great for off a desk top. The PSUs are available to match. In that time, weve pushed the industry forward with each product weve built, redefining whats possible. I'm looking for suggestions between $10K - $12K. But in the specific case of the BADA and PM2, if you wish for me to be more precise, then taking into account that I only had the BADA ref for a very short time, the bottom line was that I didn't feel at the time that the difference between the PM2 in my system was significant enough to make it worth the energy to change components or the potential financial loss involved in a trade. Thanks. Focal Utopia ~ LCD i4 ~ ETHER FLOW open/C ~ LCD-2.2/XC ~ Nighthawk ~ K10 custom ~ JH Angie, Chord mscaler // Chord TT2 // Oppo PM-1 (Artisan silver headphone cable) // Beyerdynamic DT880 600 Ohm // WAVE Stream bnc cables // Kef LS50 Meta. Out of all of the DACs I've Set up is key, cables are super important, server is also You might want to consideradding oneof Chord's Upscalers, either HugoM scaler, or the Blu Mk. With two prime DACs, we yield an unprecedented level of detail, reproducing the musicality, soundstage, and texture of an original performance, bringing the artist to you. The Discrete is a genuine high fidelity DAC and a fabulously built one to boot, add in the modular input flexibility and you have a pretty stunning product with excellent future proofing. The only true way for the end user to know what they prefer is through listening in their own system. The bottom line for me is that great DACs can make a difference over good DACs. It is my name after all! But then we have to apply the law of diminishing returns. digital front ends. You must log in or register to reply here. You are using an out of date browser. Im sure it does have a flavour of its own, but from my standpoint, it sounds like a very neutral and transparent DAC. However, there is nothing wrong with "taking" recommendations, which help me build a list that I can use to research then find a way to audition my shortlist.
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