For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. He stayed in Nethen Street and was born in 1931. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. I found this site by mistake while i was trying to find people that i used to hang around with in Govan, I lived in Rathlin Street, opposite the Elder picture house, my mum and dad were Mary and Eddie Mellon and brothers Paul and Ward. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. RM 2E6CW9C - Workers line the street and applaud the hearse carrying former trade union official Jimmy Reid as it is driven past the Govan shipyard in Glasgow, Scotland August 19, 2010. Post moderation is undertaken full-time 9am-6pm on weekdays, and on a part-time basis outwith those hours. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! On 13 July 1577, the teinds of Govan were granted to the University of Glasgow, and the Principal of the University ex officio was appointed minister of the parish. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? The Old Govan Fair. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. 125m Harley's ice cream parlour . [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. Glorious Govan. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. The following year, Fairfields and the other major Clydeside yards (Stephens, Connels, Yarrows and John Browns) were merged to form Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS). Nu acum. Management of entrance into the block zones was poor while the risk of personal attack inside and outside the flats was high. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. For other uses, see. Small things eh? It is now an industrial estate . Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. We loved the years living there and in 1949, our little sister was born at 22 Shaw St., That same year we moved to Penilee, but when my sister and I were seventeen, our parents moved back to Govan because the house in Penilee was very damp, so our parents got an exchange to a house on Govan Rd., the cooperative building next to Fairfield's shipyard. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. Anyway gabgabgab, lots more if anyone is interested. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Curtis Govan, 23, was convicted in July of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, simple assault, resisting arrest,. It is now an industrial estate. Without a home, mankind has no place. Wine Alley was in a part of Govan which is "pretty much gone now but it was notorious," he described. He lived on Govan Road. 9/1 JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. We had and still have such a loving family even although our parents and grandparents have passed, but Govan made us that way because it was a great community and you knew who your neighbours were. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. I was born at 61 Greenfield street in 1957 we lived above the dairy and I remember the betting shop. 102m The Govan Shed . The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. I remember a chemist called Brays on Govan Rd. . Vine Alley Bistro 13 reviews Claimed Wine Bars, Wine Tasting Classes Edit Closed 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM Hours updated 2 months ago See hours See all 31 photos Write a review Add photo Location & Hours 114 Market St Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Get directions Edit business info You Might Also Consider Sponsored iRock Karaoke Lounge 141 Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. Reply. The partnership works by: THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! Teddy boys jumped on little bike and broke it. 99m New Cafe India Govan . I used to visit your Mum and Dad. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. I was born and brought up in Drumoyne. Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members We left govan to go to Drumchapel. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Almost went to St Anthony's primary. I was born in 1961. What a memory. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. (was it Grant's????? The yard eventually closed in the wake of the collapse of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders consortium in 1971.[35]. Marconi Electronic Systems and its Marconi Marine unit were sold to British Aerospace in 1999 to form BAE Systems. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. Clydebuilt Database - Shipping Times, Stuart Cameron. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. Contact. Further, that by becoming involved in social, political, and economic activities, the community of any area can organise itself in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power is real. I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. :bbpd: We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. Gary Faulds. dealing, drug abuse, and money lending had flourished in a big way since 1975, which only added to the schemes wretchedness. This was around 1954ish. Great memories. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. The manager was a man called Jackie. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company was renamed Govan Shipbuilders in 1973. Replies. With five suspected drug dealers in the cells and 200,000 worth of heroin seized, it had been a very productive day for the police. I was born in Govan in 1941. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. My mum's brother Spinx (George Hewitt) stayed in Teucharhill and my dad's brother Alex Rodgers drove a milk float. The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). I was attending what was then known as Duns Academy when my father decided to emigrate to Canada. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. I didn't open my mouth, I was sure I was going to jail. I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). ), the street was a dead end because a school had burnt down. I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. Claire Fitzpatrick - I wonder if your Mary is one of our family? Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. Creeaz un cont nou. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. Govan was thriving in those days. I'll do a bit of investigating. 14276 Southeast 176th Street. Ai uitat contul? I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. I asked him if I was going to jail, he said not at all and he gave me a sweetie. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply Jocelyn Square. I have many happy memories of Govan. Media/news company. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. My cousins and I thought we should try this. Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. Servicii comunitare. Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. My husband and I ended up going into the USA. Reading the posts recognised a few names. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Did the papers for Maggie Slimmins and the milk for the coop this paid for my first real bike from Andy McNeil's, before that I had a clenny model. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. The Old Govan Fair. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. Pagini similare. This is a small family owned and operated place. I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. I was born in Govan in 1930 and went to Saint Constantine's Elementary School and then on to Saint Gerard's in 1941, I was at St Gerard's until 1946. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. J. N. REILLY There is a war on. It was incorporated into the City of Glasgow in 1912.[5]. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. Canmore ID 315779. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. Seven generations of our family have been born in Govan. Interest. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". I remember the Neptune Street bakery was always flooded and full of cats but people would still queue up outside it. USA. Email: enquiries@gblink.org.uk , www.gblink.org.uk Comments have been closed on this article. Lastly, the reflections are intended to be used as a tool among the many Church, statutory, voluntary, and charitable organisations, to aid and encourage a fresh approach to the eradication of poverty in our lives today. Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. Government organisation. Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. Socialites Karrueche Tran, left, and Christina Milian attend the Los Angeles premiere of Fox's 'Empire' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on January 6, 2015 in Hollywood, California. 3 109m Bells Bar . During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. Following decades of decline, with existing residents experiencing prejudice and only those with little other choice willing to move to the area, Moorepark was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in the United Kingdom, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time).
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